Re: Back/forward buttons

["?????" <verm25@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Jul 3, 1:59 am, "?????" <ver...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:08 pm, "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The date and time was 7/2/2008 10:21 AM, and on a whim, ????? pounded
> > out on the keyboard:
>
> > > On Jul 2, 3:35 am, "Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.champ...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >> ????? wrote:
> > >>>>> Themes DO provide separate buttons. For example, I am
> > >>>>> using the Azerty III theme which has a seperate foward
> > >>>>> and back button
> > >>> How curious! I just installed Azerty III (and disabled NoUn Button
> > >>> extension just to have a clean system) and I get a unified button. I
> > >>> cannot drag the back button away from the forward button in
> > >>> "customize" mode. Is this a bug on my system only? Can you really move
> > >>> the back button to e.g. navigation toolbar and the forward button to
> > >>> the menu toolbar on your install?
> > >> It would be appreciatted if you added a name, even a nom-de-plume or
> > >> screen-name instead of ????. I find it difficult to write addressed to
> > >> nothing.
>
> > >> In any case, no. I cannot drag the buttons seperately, they come as a
> > >> set it seems. They appear to be seperate, but are not
>
> > > So you agree then. All suggestions made in this thread have been a
> > > useless waste of my time. BTW, I understand people here are not paid
> > > for support and I appreciate the effort. What pisses me off is that
> > > the support here is just like calling a call center at a bog corp. The
> > > folks assume you have a simple problem and will keep running through a
> > > script never bothering to address a complicated issue. I said I was
> > > willing to hack Firefox C code. You can sort of assume I am a power
> > > user with a non-trivial issue.
> > > In any case, I think I have a solution but the solution I found (NoUn
> > > Buttons extension) only works with the default theme. Since this is a
> > > serious and fundamental usability and accessibility issue, I have
> > > filed a bug (#443218) with Mozilla to have a more general fix. If I
> > > have time I may try to help them fix it.
>
> > One thing you have to realize, since FF3 just came out, most users were
> > used to the way it was in FF2 (separate buttons).  Had I not tried to
> > customize when I first installed FF3, I would not have noticed either
> > that they were now linked together.
>
> > It was a learning experience for many of the regular posters here.  They
> > now know that FF3 is different than FF2.  Because it was "a useless
> > waste of 'your' time" is unfortunate.  But to have this pissy attitude
> > of yours is uncalled for.  Most of the people that responded to you have
> > been in these groups since they originated.  And they offer good
> > support.  You stroll in here and call their help useless, ESPECIALLY
> > when it involves a brand new release.  You need to apologize to them and
> >   get over this "greater than thou" issue.
>
> > follow up set to mozilla.general
> > The reason for the follow-up is this discussion has nothing to do with
> > the Subject and any off topic discussion is to be taken there.
>
> > --
> > Terry R.
> > Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
> > Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>
> I have two observations from this whole thread.
> 1. The fact that someone is using a racial slur in a support forum is
> a disgrace to the whole Mozilla organization. I am white btw, so it
> did not hurt my feelings directly but I am sure it was intended to.
>
> 2. As I was thinking about this I realized that this insistence on
> bottom posting and a knack for redirecting discussion into another
> newsgroup revealed a fundamental methodology problem. I am using
> google news to read news so I see the entire posting tree. I assume
> others do as well. So when the third person for the third time makes a
> suggestion that themes solve the problem despite it being shown wrong
> twice before, then I have to assume malicious intent to waste my time.
> But it is possible that the person simply did not read the entire
> posting tree and only responded to my immediate comment. I, the
> original poster, of course follow all discussions including ones
> redirected to other newsgroups but those responding may not and this
> MUST change because you cannot help someone with a serious issue
> without immersing yourself in it and being up on all the discussions.
>
> So now I have three suggestions:
> 1. Use software which gives you all comments from any branch of the
> discussion. Make it a habit to read all comments before replying to a
> specific one.
>
> 2. Do not redirect to other newsgroups because this makes following
> those offshoot discussions harder.
>
> 3. Avoid using slurs and offensive language.
>
> P.S. I am a scientist and I have done a bit of support in a scientific
> computing newsgroup. I practiced what I preach and I firmly believe
> that is the only way.

Sorry, I meany google groups. It has been a long day.
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