Re: Back/forward buttons
On 03.07.2008 11:29, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Moz Champion
(Dan) to generate the following:? :
> ????? wrote:
>
>> On Jul 3, 1:59 am, "?????" <ver...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2:08 pm, "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The date and time was 7/2/2008 10:21 AM, and on a whim, ????? pounded
>>>> out on the keyboard:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 2, 3:35 am, "Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.champ...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ????? wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Themes DO provide separate buttons. For example, I am
>>>>>>>>> using the Azerty III theme which has a seperate foward
>>>>>>>>> and back button
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How curious! I just installed Azerty III (and disabled NoUn Button
>>>>>>> extension just to have a clean system) and I get a unified button. I
>>>>>>> cannot drag the back button away from the forward button in
>>>>>>> "customize" mode. Is this a bug on my system only? Can you really move
>>>>>>> the back button to e.g. navigation toolbar and the forward button to
>>>>>>> the menu toolbar on your install?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be appreciatted if you added a name, even a nom-de-plume or
>>>>>> screen-name instead of ????. I find it difficult to write addressed to
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>> In any case, no. I cannot drag the buttons seperately, they come as a
>>>>>> set it seems. They appear to be seperate, but are not
>>>>>>
>>>>> So you agree then. All suggestions made in this thread have been a
>>>>> useless waste of my time. BTW, I understand people here are not paid
>>>>> for support and I appreciate the effort. What pisses me off is that
>>>>> the support here is just like calling a call center at a bog corp. The
>>>>> folks assume you have a simple problem and will keep running through a
>>>>> script never bothering to address a complicated issue. I said I was
>>>>> willing to hack Firefox C code. You can sort of assume I am a power
>>>>> user with a non-trivial issue.
>>>>> In any case, I think I have a solution but the solution I found (NoUn
>>>>> Buttons extension) only works with the default theme. Since this is a
>>>>> serious and fundamental usability and accessibility issue, I have
>>>>> filed a bug (#443218) with Mozilla to have a more general fix. If I
>>>>> have time I may try to help them fix it.
>>>>>
>>>> One thing you have to realize, since FF3 just came out, most users were
>>>> used to the way it was in FF2 (separate buttons). Had I not tried to
>>>> customize when I first installed FF3, I would not have noticed either
>>>> that they were now linked together.
>>>> It was a learning experience for many of the regular posters here. They
>>>> now know that FF3 is different than FF2. Because it was "a useless
>>>> waste of 'your' time" is unfortunate. But to have this pissy attitude
>>>> of yours is uncalled for. Most of the people that responded to you have
>>>> been in these groups since they originated. And they offer good
>>>> support. You stroll in here and call their help useless, ESPECIALLY
>>>> when it involves a brand new release. You need to apologize to them and
>>>> get over this "greater than thou" issue.
>>>> follow up set to mozilla.general
>>>> The reason for the follow-up is this discussion has nothing to do with
>>>> the Subject and any off topic discussion is to be taken there.
>>>> --
>>>> Terry R.
>>>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
>>>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>>>>
>>> I have two observations from this whole thread.
>>> 1. The fact that someone is using a racial slur in a support forum is
>>> a disgrace to the whole Mozilla organization. I am white btw, so it
>>> did not hurt my feelings directly but I am sure it was intended to.
>>>
>>> 2. As I was thinking about this I realized that this insistence on
>>> bottom posting and a knack for redirecting discussion into another
>>> newsgroup revealed a fundamental methodology problem. I am using
>>> google news to read news so I see the entire posting tree. I assume
>>> others do as well. So when the third person for the third time makes a
>>> suggestion that themes solve the problem despite it being shown wrong
>>> twice before, then I have to assume malicious intent to waste my time.
>>> But it is possible that the person simply did not read the entire
>>> posting tree and only responded to my immediate comment. I, the
>>> original poster, of course follow all discussions including ones
>>> redirected to other newsgroups but those responding may not and this
>>> MUST change because you cannot help someone with a serious issue
>>> without immersing yourself in it and being up on all the discussions.
>>>
>>> So now I have three suggestions:
>>> 1. Use software which gives you all comments from any branch of the
>>> discussion. Make it a habit to read all comments before replying to a
>>> specific one.
>>>
>>> 2. Do not redirect to other newsgroups because this makes following
>>> those offshoot discussions harder.
>>>
>>> 3. Avoid using slurs and offensive language.
>>>
>>> P.S. I am a scientist and I have done a bit of support in a scientific
>>> computing newsgroup. I practiced what I preach and I firmly believe
>>> that is the only way.
>>>
>> Sorry, I meany google groups. It has been a long day.
>>
>
>
> Excuse me, but where do you see a racial slur in this thread?
>
in a reply to one of Jay's posts, I referred to "nig-nog" - but of
course, I didn't know then that the OP is a (very important) scientist
and, therefore doesn't understand the language of "the (british) common man"
reg
> I have reviewed every post in this thread and I fail to see anything
> that could be interpreted as a racial slur. So if you insist on claiming
> such, please enlighten me as to what it is.
>
> There are no less than 33 messages in this thread alone. And it is only
> one of no less than 20 ongoing threads in the firefox newsgroup. And
> that is only 1 of no less than 35 newsgroups I read. That makes for
> approx 500 messages (in the one group) or over a 1000 for my everyday
> reading. Do you really expect people to have the time to re-read each
> and every one? You are familiar with your problem, no doubt, but others
> are not.
>
> You see maliciousness where there is none. But only people attempting to
> help by suggesting what worked for them in the past, based on the
> information presented in the current message.
>
> If you have the time to immerse yourself in each and every thread, in
> even this one newsgroup (firefox) then you are a lucky individual.
> Expecting others to do so on your behalf is simply arrogance.
>
> Discussions are redirected to mozilla.general when they become OFF topic
> for the newsgroup they are in. Essentially, this discusssion is OFF
> topic for the firefox newsgrooup, as it deals with posting policies and
> personal posting actions more than technical questions regarding
> Firefox. It is considered right and proper to move such to a newsgroup
> where they can be carried on, without disturbing the technical nature of
> the original newsgroup.
>
> Again, what slurs or offensive language are you referring to?
>
>
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