Re: [PHP] Re: php framework vs just php?
""Dan Joseph"" <dmjoseph@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston
> <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
>> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
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> I didn't originally want to get in the middle of a fist fight, but I've
> been
> reading this all day, and I really have to ask...
>
> What in the world is wrong with you? Did you get picked on by the kids in
> the science club always saying their framework was better than yours?
>
> You seem to be arguing that your framework is the only one that anyone
> should use, and is capable of getting the job done.
If you bother to read what I have written you will see that I have ever made
any such claims. I have simply been answerng the questions "what is a
framework" and "what are the benefits of using a framework"
> You based this claim on
> a senseless argument that you can build a table and generate some page to
> handle it in under 5 minutes.
I am saying that using a framework will allow you to create components much
quicker than not using a framework for the simple reason that you don't have
to keep writing code to reinvent the wheel - you reuse code that is provided
within the framework.
> Who cares? Do you know what a framework really is?
Actually I do. I have been developing software over three decades in three
different languages. I have used many frameworks written by other people,
but I have always been far more productive using framedworks which I have
written myself.
> Is it solely a means by which to build an application in as
> little time as possible?
There are two parts to a framework - (a) the ability to generate new
components, and (b) providing a runtime environment with which to run those
components.
> Many on the list are saying "We wrote our own, we don't like or want to
> use the ones out there." Think about the reasons... We have applications
> we build internally that either (1) the frameworks can't get done, or (2)
> the frameworks are way overkill.
I agree that finding the right framework to use can be very difficult, which
is why a lot of programmers (like me) prefer to roll their own. But if you
can find an off-the-shelf framework that does the job it can save you an
awful amount of time.
--
Tony Marston
http://www.tonymarston.net
http://www.radicore.org
> You are essentially arguing the same point
> that everyone else is. You've just isolated it to Radicore. Do you even
> realize that?
I know nothing, I'm from Barcelona! :)
> -Dan Joseph
>
> "Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day.
> Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life."
>
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